Solo Travel, Hidden Dining Gems & Seeing the World with Kaitlyn Rosati

Someone once told Kaitlyn Rosati she shouldn’t travel to South America without a man. She went anyway, built No Man Nomad and turned solo travel into a full-time life across nearly 100 countries. We sit down with Kaitlyn to get past the highlight reel and into the real mechanics of fearless exploration: how a bartender in New York took one solo trip to Hawaii, then kept going until travel writing and food storytelling became her craft.

We dig into the mindset behind independent travel, including the part nobody romanticizes: decision fatigue. Kaitlyn breaks down why the freedom is still worth it, how starting with a domestic destination can make your first solo trip feel safer, and how a passport-page problem unexpectedly led her to “move” to Tokyo and fall in love with slow travel. Along the way, she shares destinations that surprised her, the travel chaos that becomes lore later, and which world wonders truly live up to the hype.

If you work in travel PR or you pitch freelance writers, Kaitlyn also gives clear, practical guidance on what she needs from a pitch, why “guaranteed outlet” demands can be unrealistic and how simple research can be the difference between a quick yes and an instant delete. Listen for her honest take on Italy travel dreams, story selection, and what she’s working on next. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs a push to travel solo, and leave us a review so more listeners can find Media in Minutes.

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Welcome And Meet Caitlin Rosati

Angela 0:05

Welcome to Media in Minutes. This is your host, Angela Tuell. This podcast features in-depth interviews with those who report on the world around us. They share everything from their favorite stories to what happened behind the lens and give us a glimpse into their world. From our studio here at Communications Redefined, this is Media in Minutes. Today we're talking with Kaitlyn Rosati, an accomplished travel and food writer, solo traveler, and the creator behind No Man Nomad, a platform documenting her adventures across nearly 100 countries over the past decade. Caitlin has built a career around fearless exploration and hyper-local storytelling, from climbing Mount Kilimanjaro and visiting all seven continents to seeing all seven world wonders, all largely as a solo traveler. She also spent more than two years writing the weekly NYC Hidden Dining Gems column for the New York Daily News, spotlighting the hole in the wall restaurants and local food experiences many travelers miss. Her work has appeared in outlets, including BBC Travel, Business Insider, Forbes, Travel Age West, and the New York Daily News, often blending travel, culture, and unforgettable food experiences from around the world. Caitlin, welcome. I'm so excited to have you on the podcast today.

Kaitlyn 1:26

Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here.

Angela 1:29

Yes,

From Bartending To Travel Writing

Angela 1:30

you've built a pretty bucket list worthy life, I would say. Yeah. What first sparked your love for travel and how did you eventually turn it into a career?

Kaitlyn 1:42

My first, I guess I wouldn't say that what sparked, I don't know if there was ever like an initial spark, right? I just I always wanted to go to Paris or Barcelona. You know, I kind of wanted to see the world kind of in like just a curious way. But when it really started to pivot was when I was a bartender in 2016 in New York, and I was making bucket loads of money, uh, as bartenders in New York do. And I said, you know what? I'm gonna take a solo trip to Hawaii. And that is definitely when things started to change for me. So that that just snowballed into solo trips to Thailand and Belize in the same year, and now eventually I realized I wanted to become a travel writer, and so I started a blog about a year later and um a lot of knocking down doors, and here we are 10 years later.

Angela 2:28

Wow. So you had no formal training in writing or journalism or anything like that.

Kaitlyn 2:33

No, at the time, I didn't even have a bachelor's degree. I just kind of wanted to start a blog because I got a lot of uh comments about, you know, uh curious comments about solo traveling. So it initially was started just kind of to like document for fun for friends and family. I didn't know anything about like SEO or all the important things that can actually help a blog. Um, and then I started meeting some travel writers like on the road, and I was like, hey, maybe there's something here. And so I started pitching and eventually I did go back to school for journalism.

Angela 3:02

Okay. Wow, how fantastic. So you created what you just said, no man nomad. It's hard to say.

Kaitlyn 3:09

I know I I'm like some I'm like, if only I knew it would lead here, I might have picked an easier name. Right. What is it? What inspired that name? Those trips. Yeah, uh, the the true inspirant of that one, there's definitely a spark because I worked at a dive bar in Manhattan and uh it was mainly male clientele. Uh I was the day bartender. And so there was a guy who used to come in quite regularly, and uh I told him I was going to Columbia by myself. And he said, You shouldn't do that without a man, you're going to get killed. Um, and long story short, I live to tell the tale, and that was actually my first blog post. And so I realized I wanted to start something that was kind of like a poke about

No Man Nomad And Solo Confidence

Kaitlyn 3:50

not traveling with a man. Yeah. My best friend Katie helped me brainstorm it. And she was like, You need something like catchy and quick, like no man, nomad. I was like, I love it, done. That is great. That was you know, oftentimes the first name, or you know, when when one pops in and it's perfect, you don't you stop, right? Stop. Yeah, well, because at first I was like thinking, if this was like 2017, so very like Pinterest era. So I was like, something like very like romantic, like what she sees through her eyes. She's like, no, girl, you need something sasssier, like no man, no mad. And I was like, Oh yeah, that's the one. I love that. So did you feel safe in Columbia? Yeah, I felt great. I mean, I had it's just funny. Like, I I think I've just done so many things on my own without even realizing it prior to solo traveling. I moved to LA by myself when I was 17. Then I moved to New York by myself when I was 19. And that's not to say I didn't have like friends and family I could call, you know, but like I'm really doing all these things on my own. And so I think without even realizing it, I set myself up for success to solo travel. Like, obviously, there's different issues, right? Language barriers, maybe my phone doesn't have enough data, things like that. But yeah, I feel great. That's awesome.

Angela 4:59

Was there a destination early on that completely changed your perspective or made you think I want more of this? I mean Italy, which probably did not surprise you.

Kaitlyn 5:10

Yeah. Um, my first trip to Venice is kind of when it clicked that maybe there's something more than just doing a travel blog for fun. Um it just Italy inspires me in ways still to this day that like it's hard for me to put in words and it's it's you know, I have roots, obviously. My last name is Rosati, which fun fact means many glasses of uh Rose wine, which is very fitting. That is a great name. I know I'm like, I'm on every menu. I need to be here. Um, but I um yeah, my first time in Venice, I don't know. I it's it sounds very um, you know, maybe a bit woo-woo, but like I felt like quite literally connected to the ground in Italy. And I do attribute a lot of that to my family being from there. And um, yeah, just something hit, man. I was like, I had my GoPro and I was like vlogging, and I was like one of those obnoxious people just filming everything. And I was like, I want to do this. Like, I think I can do this like for real.

Angela 6:09

So yeah, that's amazing. And you're known for solo travel, as you mentioned, um, and not just easy trips, easy solo trips. You've climbed Kilimanjaro, visited all seven continents, and moved to Tokyo on a whim.

Kaitlyn 6:24

Oh, yeah, that's a fun one. Yes, tell us a little bit more.

Tokyo Detour And Slow Travel

Kaitlyn 6:28

Yeah, Tokyo is such a wild story. Okay, so in uh 20 December 2018, I saved up enough money to quit bartending. And that was when I really was like, I'm gonna do this for real. I want to be like one of those backpackers, you know, who just lives out of the bag on their back. And I did it. So I traveled around the world for six months. But the problem was on like month two, I started to realize I have no space left in my passport. Like I had like a page left. That's an issue, right? Yeah, right. Yeah, like I was like, oh, I probably should have gotten a new passport before I left. And so I was looking up how to turn in um an old, like how to basically renew a passport abroad. And on the US Embassy website, it said you must be you have to turn in your old one. So you are essentially passportless in another country for up to four weeks. And I was like, that's crazy. But yeah, I was in Cambodia when I had this revelation. So I'm looking at places I've already been to. I'm like, I'm not going somewhere new for four weeks. What if I hate it? And I had been to Tokyo before, so I rented an apartment in Tokyo for a month and moved there. Like, quote, you know, I signed I had to sign a lease and turned in my passport and I got it back two days later. I was like, oh, I'm so glad I just and I ended up staying for two months. Um I and it was quite interesting because it Tokyo is similar to New York in energy and chaos, but like that's when I realized like the beauty of slow travel. Um, and I really fell in love with just like having a place, right? I move around so much, like having a kitchen. It sounds so basic, but when you have a lifestyle like mine, like yeah, it really changed the way I travel.

Angela 8:06

Yeah.

The Real Pros And Cons Alone

Angela 8:07

So what draws you specifically to solo travel?

Kaitlyn 8:11

I think, you know, this is a question that I'm like, I I can it's something that when I do it, I it can be so hit or miss, just to be totally honest. Like there are days that I'm like a bit paralyzed. Like, I think decision fatigue is that's that's where I would trade it. You know, I'm like, if somebody can just tell me what to do, which is such a which uh such a contradiction to everything I stand for, right? Like Miss Independent Woman, but like it's like every little decision. Should I take public transportation or a taxi? Should I uh, you know, where should I get dinner? Should I go somewhere quick? Or it's just and it's all little, but it adds up. But what draws me to it is the freedom. So on the flip side, I can quite literally do whatever I want. Like, and uh one of my most like light bulb moments was I was solo traveling in Croatia and I had pretty bad anxiety that day. Like I just kind of was feeling a little in my head, which of course happens. And then I walked by a group of like five friends who were arguing over where to eat dinner, and I was like, I'm so glad I'm traveling alone, you know. So I can really go one way or the other, but overall, I yeah, I would not trade the freedom.

Angela 9:15

That's awesome. And for for someone listening who wants to take their first solo trip but feels intimidated, where should they start?

Kaitlyn 9:23

I always recommend starting domestic. That was my first solo trip was Hawaii because to me it still felt uh international in some ways, right? Like, I mean, I'm I live in New York City, so it's like as far opposite as you can get, right? Yeah, farther than Europe for you. Yeah, I mean, right. I'm like, and so I um I just figured it's still the same currency, it's still the same emergency number, I'll still have cell phone data, it's still like the same language, like you know, all these things, but it still feels different enough for me that I can kind of test the waters. You don't have to do something as extreme as Hawaii, though. Like you can drive two hours away to like an Airbnb log cabin you've had saved, or on the flip side, if you live in a small town and you've always wanted to go to somewhere like Chicago or Dallas. Yeah. Um, so yeah, my top tip is always to start domestic with a domestic destination you really want to see.

Angela 10:14

Good advice. What's

Travel Chaos And Surprise Favorites

Angela 10:16

the wildest or most unexpected thing that's happened to you while traveling?

Kaitlyn 10:21

Oh my god, where do I begin? This is funny because I did uh uh uh an Instagram post last December. I've solo traveled to 92 countries, which was the number at the time. Wow here's and here's my biggest travel lore, and then it's like all the craziest things, and it uh yeah, it like went mega viral and it was crazy. I was like, Yeah, because it's I've had some crazy stories. So I lost my passport in Saudi Arabia. That would definitely be one. Yeah, luckily I found it. The honest in Saudi Arabia. Yeah, it was at the airport, so it didn't, it didn't go very far, but I was I was passportless for a hot minute in in Red Hall. That was bad. Um, I got pretty a pretty bad parasite and Mauritius, and um that that was scary. Um the Zimbabwean uh border control thought it was a spy, so they held my passport. Yeah, we got we got I've definitely, you know, like I've I've at some point if you've traveled as much as I have, like, you know, things are gonna happen. Like, luckily it's all lore for the end of the day, but uh yeah, some stressful situations for sure.

Angela 11:23

Yes, I'm sure they don't feel as minor in the moment when they're happening.

Kaitlyn 11:28

I mean, when I realized I wasn't holding my passport in Saudi Arabia that I was holding maybe 30 minutes prior, I was like, that's not good. Like, this is not no. I mean, I don't want to lose my passport anywhere, but I was alone in Saudi Arabia, so you know, yeah. I don't know where you get another how you how quickly there. Yeah, and I also like had it told a lot of people I was going there because I knew I would get a lot of comments and flack. So then I'm like, no, I'm gonna have to explain. I lost my passport here. Like, not only being stuck here, which is annoying as it is, but like I lost my passport. Yeah, but I found it.

Angela 12:01

Is there a place that you didn't know if that you didn't think you might love and ended up loving it?

Kaitlyn 12:10

I have a few places like that. One that really stands out is Jeju in South Korea. Like I figured it would be beautiful and it would be it. This was on that backpacking trip, the one where I also ran out of space on my passport. Um but I was in Seoul and I found a $12 flight to Jeju. And I had heard Jeju. I know I was like, how is this? So obviously, I don't care where it's going. If it's 12 bucks, I'm putting it right. And so Jeju is one of the natural seven wonders of the world. And I thought, cool, like it was never really on my radar. And I mean, it is an incredible island, and I would like highly recommend it. It's just so different from I think a lot of people just go to Seoul, and Seoul is an amazing city, but Jeju was just like it's you know, I I hate to compare anything like naturally beautiful to Hawaii, but it feels like that, right? Lots of waterfalls and surrounded by water, it's just beautiful.

Angela 13:04

That's awesome. You've also said that there are no places that are off limits to you when it comes to traveling. So, what are some places that are at the top of your list currently?

Kaitlyn 13:16

You know, the one that's been at the top of my list forever is Uzbekistan, um, which I know has gotten a bit more popular in the past few years. Um, and basically all of the stands, you know, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan. I mean, Turkmenistan, I'm especially drawn to because it's so difficult to travel there. Um you need a letter of invitation, which fun fact, I applied for one earlier this year and I was rejected. And I'm not sure I know. I but I mean, I they are like pretty notorious for rejecting um people for all different types of reasons, and you just never know. Um can you apply again? Yeah, I can apply again. So I'm like part of some Facebook groups. There's this one called Every Passport Stamp, and it's it's people like me, you know, who want to go to you know, maybe not the most popular tourist this way. Um, so there's a lot of tips in there. Um, yeah, so I would say the stands are very high up. I mean, Africa in general. Look, there's 54 countries. Like I would, there's so much I want to see in Africa. I would really like to go to Malawi, Mozambique, um, West Africa. Yeah, I mean, and the South Pacific is very high up on my list. But the logistics for traveling around some of those islands are pretty tough, like a lot of limited flights. And of course, I've looked into it. So yeah, they'll it'll all happen eventually, you know?

Angela 14:35

Yes. How do you make all of this happen?

Kaitlyn 14:39

Oh, just so many moving parts. I mean, now, you know, it's funny. I so I before I even started travel writing, I think I had already been to like 50 or 60 countries. And so I think having that, and this is something I've talked to about like with some of my other travel writer and travel content creator friends. It's it's funny to see some people in this industry that like didn't really travel so much before. And there's like absolutely nothing wrong with that, right? Traveling is absolutely a privilege and there's a lot involved into making that decision. But um, I think just having the foundation of, you know, doing the nitty-gritties, sleeping in hostels, taking overnight buses, it's it's helped me get a bit more savvy. But now on top of that, I have lovely PR friends who also, you know, help me out and for the missing pieces. Um and so I think just building uh this career and building relationships has absolutely helped me get to some of these tougher destinations.

Wonders, Hype, And Italy Dreams

Angela 15:36

Yes. You've seen all seven world wonders. Was there one that lived, you know, completely lived up to the hype?

Kaitlyn 15:44

Yeah, I have two. So uh Great Wall of China, I mean, it's just incredible. You know, it's just it's hard, it's hard to like comprehend that that's what you're seeing. Like, yeah, and I I had a a really um, I think different experience than most people because I didn't stay in Beijing proper. I stayed like a little bit outside of the city with a family. So I've heard the Great Wall is very crowded. Obviously, it's huge, right? But the main main touristy part is very crowded, and there's a lot of like uh vendors and things of this sort. I didn't have any of that. I was like the only person on this portion of the wall. So that's a pretty, you know, at that moment one to savor. The other one would definitely be the Taj Mahal. And I think I liked it so much because so many people were like, it's just a building, it's not that exciting. I'm like, what are you talking about? This is beautiful. Uh and I, if anyone wanted to go to Taj Mahal, I would definitely recommend getting there right before the sun goes up because that's when you beat the crowds.

Angela 16:41

Okay, great advice. What about a destination that didn't live up to the hype?

Kaitlyn 16:47

Oh, I feel so bad when I say this, but it would probably be Brussels. I've been to Brussels a few times and it just doesn't, it just doesn't do it for me. You know, it's it's um that's I would say that one. Also, uh, you know, listen, I can throw shade at uh the country I love the most. Um, Milan and I have a very uh love-hate relationship. I I like Milan, but and I I always fly into Malpenza, which is Milan's main airport. Okay, so there are definitely things I like about the city, right? Because I've spent so much time there that I've like really had to like craft things that I like to do. There's some cool history, Da Vinci's Last Supper, is that right? Like Milan is iconic, and I can say that, but at the same time, for me, you know, I like a little more grit.

Angela 17:34

That's definitely interesting. How often are you traveling throughout the year?

Kaitlyn 17:38

Uh, I I like to say 80%, but I think it might even be more because like uh I'm often going back to Italy and staying for at least a month. And I think just in the last year, I've done that. Like, I mean, I think I've spent like five months out of the last year in Italy. Um yeah, I mean, because it's kind of that Tokyo effect, right? It's like it makes sense to just kind of rent a place long term. Um, you know, and also you like in a way you save money doing it that way because otherwise you're just you know paying like higher, you know, a lot of times you can get like a discount if you're staying for a month or something, right? Um so yeah, I would say at least 80% of the year.

Angela 18:17

So the love for Italy is something we share. I saw that owning a villa in Italy is on your long-term goal list, might as well.

Kaitlyn 18:24

Where in Italy are you thinking? This is funny because this is like the the thing preventing me from doing it because I can't make a decision. So I ideally I would like to do it in Basilicata because that's where my uh roots are, and I just think it would be a nice way to like return back to that. But at the same time, Basilicata is kind of like not near like much, like like the nearest major airport is like Naples, which of course I love, but even that's like three hours away, so it's a bit remote. Um so I don't know. I've looked into Puglia, I've looked into Basilicata, and I've looked into like Emilia Romagna because I love it up there. Um, but most likely it would be in the south. I I if I had to uh predict, I would say I will end up in either Puglia or Sicily. Okay, we'll be watching and we'll visit. I'm gonna eat my words.

Angela 19:17

Right,

Publishing, PR Pitches, And Partnerships

Angela 19:18

right. So, what outlets are you pitching or currently writing for, aside from your own platform?

Kaitlyn 19:25

Um, I contribute pretty frequently to Business Insider. I um I really like Yahoo! has a creators program, um, which uh, you know, different writers and content creators can apply. You have to be accepted. And I was very fortunate to be accepted into that last December. So that's that's really fun because I can kind of be like in full control, obviously within their guidelines of writing whatever I want, basically. And so I can really craft it to things I want to talk about, um, versus kind of like uh finangling an angle to fit a certain publication. Um I actually I just had a story come out with the daily news, but um I did I used to write a column for them, um, and that's that uh came to a halt. But uh here and there, you know, I'll still write a food story for them, and I absolutely love writing for them. Um and then I also do um occasional social media for travel and leisure.

Angela 20:22

Oh, okay, great. And we talked a little bit about PR professionals, which much of our audience is. Um, how can we best help you do your job? Uh, you know, what do you look for in pitches and also on hosted trips?

Kaitlyn 20:36

Yeah, I think uh, you know, like any uh writer or creator in this field, my inbox uh is very intense. Um so and I I realized I'm pretty good at like checking everything. I used to try to reply to everything, it's just not possible, unfortunately. But just to give you an example, like last week I was traveling to nobody's surprise, and I let my inbox kind of it's the first time I've done it in years. I was like, I'm just not checking it. Like I don't have the capacity, right? I'll get to it when I get to it. I let one week go by and I had over 2,000 emails, and that's a lot. Yes, yes. So I Sunday, on Sunday of the week I neglected my inbox, I took the time to go through it. It took a few hours, but most of them I knew within three seconds whether I was going to respond um or move on. And a lot of that is it's just uh there's there's a few things that I would say like that could be helpful for me and for PRs, is uh as a freelancer, it's it's I know it's been said so many times, it is almost impossible to guarantee an outlet as much as I that would make my job so much easier, too. Believe me. Um, but it's just it's just not always how it works. I know some freelance writers only work that way, and I mean kudos to them. I literally do not know how they do it. Um, and it's just very obvious when. People, when PRs have taken even like a few minutes to do some research. Like, for example, and this was a common one for me. I wrote the dining column for the daily news. As I've said, it was specifically about New York City restaurants, as in the name was called NYC Hidden Dining Gems. And all you had to do was click on my author profile, and you would see that every single story started with NYC Hidden Dining Gems. So when I'm getting like, hey, we have this new uh milk uh or so, you know, like a grocery product. Do you think you could put this in the daily news? Or hey, um, we know you write about travel. Here's a suitcase that we think would be great for the daily. It's just an immediate turnoff, right? Because I'm like, it would take you three seconds to understand that like it's just not possible. Um, so yeah, that's what I would say is just just do do your research. And I know it's a very basic bit of advice, but like we know, you know? Yes. And and it's as far as hosted trips, I think same thing. Like, I understand it. I I can't imagine what PRs go through in trying to train or educate their clients, right? Like I'm I I don't envy that at all. Um, and so I think it can be really tough when I don't have confirmed coverage to work with uh um to convince certain like you know, hotels or and I mean I can use like a great example for this too, like this hotel in Milan after I just you know gave Milan a little bit of shade, but hey, I'm still there all the time. So maybe your client is the reason I'll fall in love with the city, right? Uh so there was a hotel in Milan, and like I wasn't asking for a flight, I wasn't asking for a train. I was like, hey, just letting you know I'm gonna be here. Uh you know, if they're open to hosting me, they were like, we need confirmed coverage. And I was like, okay, well, I'm not, I I unfortunately can't do that. Now, fast forward only a few months later, I am doing a social media reel for travel and leisure about the best hotels I've ever stayed at in Italy. And it's like, what a missed opportunity, right? You could have ended up with that. So, um, which obviously, you know, as somebody who spends so much time in Italy, I have plenty to choose from, but right, you know, it just it's just ends up becoming a missed opportunity. Yes, yes, and that's probably not one you chose because you didn't stay there.

Angela 24:14

Absolutely. Yes, makes complete sense. You know, you mentioned it a little bit, but you write across, you know, travel, dining, lifestyle, culture. How do you decide what stories are worth pitching or pursuing or what your next story is?

Kaitlyn 24:28

You know, I I probably could be like better. Like I watch some journalists and I'm like, I like good for you. Like they write about so many different things, and like I see the stories they're pumping out, and I'm like, I totally got a pitch about that. And I didn't do anything with it, you know. But for me, I don't know, maybe it's because I'm like a triple cancer. I'm like, I'm such an emotional, like to me, it there has to be at least a little bit of passion behind it. Um, and so obviously anything with a solo travel angle is great. Anything women forward, great. Um dining, but not in the sense, like I I want like niche, you know. And if you read my work, you would know this, right? Like I covered part of the reason I want to go to Uzbekistan is because I went, I covered an Uzbek restaurant in Queens for the Daily News, and I learned there's a huge Korean diaspora in Uzbekistan, and that's why there's like some Korean flavor, right? Like, I mean, I know that's very niche, but like that's the stuff I love writing about. I wrote a whole historical piece on tortellini for the BBC. So yeah, very like those are the ones I'm mainly pursuing, but also not every story can be like, you know, as glamorous as I would like it to be. So there are hotel roundups, and um, I think I think I guess it's safe to say for me, anybody interested in pitching me or anything of that sort, anything related to Italy, you know, you you probably stand some type of chance to get some type of coverage. Like, I mean, just anything. It could be anything.

What’s Next And How To Follow

Angela 25:58

That's great. What about what's next for you? You know, your next destination, projects, stories you're especially excited about.

Kaitlyn 26:05

I have some really fun things coming up this summer. Um, I'm going to Niagara Falls for uh a partnership under No Man Nomad. I have I'm attending a food festival, also as a partnership in for No Man Nomad in Michigan. Um, I am hitting my 100th country. I can't say much else, but I know you'll have to watch for that one. That will be in July. Um, and then I'm also working on the upstate New York guidebook for photos. So I will be in upstate New York for outside of the few trips I just mentioned. I will be up here, uh, which is where I am right now for a lot of summer doing some research. So anybody in like Utica, Finger Lakes area, um, Rochester, Syracuse, and Albany, like hit me up. I'm working on a guidebook. So for those emails. Yeah, I know. Like, eat your words once again.

Angela 27:06

So, what is the best way for our listeners to follow your work, uh, keep up with your adventures, pitch up?

Kaitlyn 27:13

Uh yeah, so I always recommend following my Instagram, nomannomad n o m a n.n-o-m-a-d. Uh, I'm I'm always posting updates there. Um, I do have a newsletter, which you can subscribe. If you just go to my blog, which is nomannomad.net, there's a pop-up and you can subscribe there. Um, and then also, yeah, my email address is once again, nomannomad.net at gmail.com.

Angela 27:42

Perfect. Thank you so much, Kaitlyn. Thank you so much for having me. That's all for this episode of Media and Minutes, a podcast by Communications Redefined. Please take a moment to rate, review, and subscribe to our show. We'd love to hear what you think. You can find more at Communications Redefined.comslash podcast. I'm your host, Angela Tuell. Talk to you next time.