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From College Dreams to Global Bylines: Skye Sherman's Path as a Travel Journalist

• Angela Tuell • Season 5 • Episode 15

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What happens when you tell your academic advisor you "just want to travel the world and get paid for it"? For Skye Sherman, it launched a successful career as a travel writer and journalist whose bylines appear in Travel + Leisure, Southern Living, US News and World Report and Palm Beach Illustrated.

In this fascinating conversation, Skye reveals how she transformed from an undeclared college major to a respected voice in travel journalism. Rather than following a traditional career path, she created her own way forward, initially thinking she wanted to be a travel influencer before discovering her true passion for writing for established publications. "I've been making it up as I go," she admits, yet her approach has clearly worked.

Today, Skye has cultivated relationships with editors who regularly assign her stories while still pitching her own ideas. She writes Palm Beach Illustrated's "New and Now" section, contributes Florida and cruise content to major travel publications, and occasionally takes on lucrative content marketing projects. All while pursuing her ambitious personal goal of visiting every country in the world by age 60 (she's currently at about 51 countries).

We dive into Skye's organizational strategies (she's "obsessively organized" with a non-negotiable inbox zero policy), her advice for PR professionals (pitch in the exact style of headlines she already writes), and her surprising background as a pilot who earned her license at 18. She also shares memorable destinations, including Michigan's car-free Mackinac Island and her recent sailing adventure through the British Virgin Islands.

For aspiring travel writers, Skye offers candid advice based on her own journey, including what she might have done differently. This conversation provides a rare glimpse into the life of a successful travel journalist and shows how passion, persistence and organization can build a career that spans the globe.


Connect with Skye at Skye@SkyeSherman.com; IG: @skyesherman; FB: Skye Sherman and LinkedIn. 


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Angela Tuell:

Welcome to Media in Minutes. This is your host, Angela Tuell. This podcast features in-depth interviews with those who report on the world around us. They share everything from their favorite stories to what happened behind the lens and give us a glimpse into their world From our studio here at Communications Redefined. This is Media in Minutes. Today, we're talking with Skye Sherman. Skye is a freelance travel writer, journalist and editor whose work has appeared in national outlets like Southern Living, travel and Leisure, us News and World Report, palm Beach Illustrated and many others. Based in Florida, she covers everything from local hidden gems to international destinations. Skye is passionate about telling stories that connect and inspire, whether she's writing about luxury hotels, cruises or the top trending destination. Hello Skye, thank you for joining us today.

Skye Sherman:

Thanks so much for having me. I'm happy to be here.

Angela Tuell:

Yes, let's start from the beginning. How did you first get into writing in journalism? Was this always your path or did it evolve over time?

Skye Sherman:

Every time somebody asks me this, I tell them the same thing, which is that I don't really know. I just have been making it up as I go. It kind of all started I've always loved to travel, traveled with my parents throughout my childhood and everything, and I was in college and I stayed undecided like undeclared major as long as I could, and then, I think after sophomore year, my academic advisor said you really have to declare a major now and I just didn't know what I wanted to do. I feel like I still don't know what I want to do, but I joked with her in a meeting one time I just want to travel the world and get paid for it.

Skye Sherman:

I kind of said it flippantly like the world and get paid for it. You know, I kind of said it flippantly like, oh, you know, that would be the dream. And she looked at me and said, okay, people do that. You know, you're smart, you're a great writer, why couldn't you do that? And I was like I don't know, I never thought about it.

Skye Sherman:

So, you know, and it's not really clear, there's not a clear career path for you know, maybe becoming a travel journalist or a writer or a TV host or any of those things. So it's not like you can major in that exactly. There's just sort of adjacent fields like journalism and you know press and communications, things like that, and you know press and communications, things like that. So after that I ended up declaring an English major which, looking back, I probably should have studied journalism. That would have been a little more applicable to what I ended up doing. But studied English gave me a really strong base in, you know, research and critical thinking and reading and writing and just sort of soft skills I guess you could call them. And from there, you know, just writing had always come naturally to me, and not really creative writing. I've never been someone who, you know, writes stories or things like that, but more so reporting and research, and just like essays more than poems, if that makes sense, okay, yeah. So I, yeah, basically just graduated college.

Skye Sherman:

My husband and I. We got married in college.

Skye Sherman:

So I had a husband when I graduated college, we moved out of our apartment and just sort of left to travel the world and live out of our suitcases. And then, as I went that was in 2016, when I graduated college which was sort of the height of Instagram and influencing and that sort of thing. It was really coming to like a head of, you know, travel inspiration. So I thought what I wanted to do is be sort of like an Instagrammer and a blogger. So as we went, I, you know, documented our travels and posted about the whole everything on Instagram and wrote blogs and stuff.

Skye Sherman:

But I quickly realized I did not want to be a blogger or, you know, make my own outlet, I guess you could say. I realized pretty quickly that I wanted to write for established outlets instead and sort of be published there. So kind of switched gears a little bit and I don't know, just started pitching, pitching, pitching and I would, you know, go on press trips and meet editors and just sort of, like I said, made it up as I went and found opportunities to write for bigger and bigger outlets and, yeah, just sort of built on itself from there over the past almost 10 years. Looking back, I feel like it was last year.

Angela Tuell:

Right and you've become very successful at it. What does? Your current work look like you know what outlets are you writing for more often or what type of articles.

Skye Sherman:

Yeah. So right now you know I hate to say it, I wouldn't call it lazy, I haven't gotten lazy. I do still have to pitch a lot, but I've really sort of settled into like a rhythm and regular outlets that I contribute to and sort of letting work come to me rather than always pitching, pitching, pitching. So I have been writing the new and now section for Palm Beach Illustrated since 2019, which is a print magazine, a local, regional luxury lifestyle magazine in South Florida where I live, and I absolutely love that. It's a beautiful magazine. The team is so talented. I've I actually interned there in college and I've always loved writing for them. So that section is really fun for me because I get to incorporate, you know, the community where I live and get to know what's going on and what's new and now and things like that around here. And it's print work which I really really love and write that section and occasional features and sometimes travel content for them as well. But so that's sort of like the lifestyle writing side of things.

Skye Sherman:

And then in travel, my most frequent, I guess, outlets right now are Travel and Leisure Online and Southern Living Online. Those are both under the dot dash Meredith umbrella, so they're sort of like sister publications in a way. I do a lot of travel news, florida content, southern content, some travel for Southern Living as well, though obviously travel leisure is where I do most of the travel writing. I also write for US News and World Report pretty frequently doing cruise articles and reviews, and then I would say those are my sort of main drivers, and when I say you know, I've gotten lazy, like I have, you know, my regular editors that I work with there, who oftentimes come to me with assignments and sometimes I'm paying them too. But it's sort of a mix of pitching and just sort of being assigned things that are in my wheelhouse and then I also work on, you know, the occasional content marketing assignments, blogs, guides, things like that. A lot of those are usually without a byline but they pay really well.

Skye Sherman:

So yes yeah, it's sort of a mix of everything. And then, you know, sometimes I'm pitching new outlets as well, but I would say those are like less frequent, not not really an ongoing contributor relationship, but OK yeah that's pretty nice when you get into the situation where don't have to hustle as much.

Skye Sherman:

Exactly, I really prefer it. And you know, having those relationships with editors is amazing, but you know it's just not always the case, especially when there's just new ideas I'm having or places I want to go and and stories I want to place. So it's still a mix of pitching and stuff, but not as heavy of a hustle. It wasn't the beginning when I'm was still really trying to get a name for myself and get bigger and bigger bylines.

Angela Tuell:

So yeah, yeah, do you have any? I don't want to say maybe favorites not the right word but any stories. Recently you've really enjoyed writing.

Skye Sherman:

Yeah, actually, what comes to mind is I wrote a. This is not my usual at all because I'm really not a food writer, but I wrote a article for Southern Living on my mom's key lime pie. You know, recipe secrets, I guess you could call it okay. Um, let me see the title.

Skye Sherman:

Yeah, the head was my mom's, a third generation Floridian, and she just spilled the secret her key lime pie. Um, and it's not really a recipe article but just a little bit of a story and like her secrets to an authentic Florida key lime pie, which was just fun because it's it's just sort of, you know, capturing something that's important to me and my family and my home state. I'm a fourth generation Floridian. I just I really really love Florida and living here and being from here, so it was just special to sort of get to capture that and, you know, ask my mom for her insight for a story which is, like I said, not my usual kind of writing, but it was just fun to sort of capture that and came out cute and it was just like a special article to have.

Angela Tuell:

But yeah, so that was that was a.

Skye Sherman:

That was a recent fun favorite.

Angela Tuell:

I love that, and how often are you traveling?

Skye Sherman:

I would say I've slowed down a bit, been sticking closer to home. The past couple years my husband has been growing a beverage company that he started called Breeze and it's just really really taken off like wildfire. So yeah, travel gets a little bit more complicated because we really prefer to travel together and see new places together, but it's just a little more interruptive than it used to be as we've gotten older and sort of started this beverage company. So I still probably travel on a monthly basis. I would say I travel pretty frequently, especially compared to, you know, friends and family who don't travel a lot. But I'm slowing down and they're like, doesn't?

Skye Sherman:

look like it to me. But I have a goal to visit every country in the world during my lifetime and I need to average about five new countries per year to hit all of them by age 60. So I'm still, you know, going as much as I can, and sometimes there's just, you know, opportunities you can't resist and places you just can't say no to. So I'm prioritizing trips to countries I haven't been to yet when I can. But also there's so many wonderful places that we just love and love to return to and and just cool opportunities. So Right.

Angela Tuell:

Or it takes multiple trips to see a you know to see Right. Or it takes multiple trips to see a play you know to see an entire country, exactly.

Skye Sherman:

So I, you know, still traveling pretty often, but I would say I'm not, you know, because it's just, it's just more of a, not a hassle, but it's just more of a you know undertaking now, and especially if my husband's coming, because it just kind of affects, you know, the work thing and we do work on the road as well, we can work remotely and do everything from our computers, but you know he has a team of like 50 people under him, so it just affects things. So, yeah, yes, definitely.

Angela Tuell:

How do you, besides being a country you haven't been to, how else do you, decide if you should take a hosted trip or not, like anything you prefer?

Skye Sherman:

Yeah, honestly, that's sort of my priority right now. Like I said, trips to countries I haven't been to yet.

Skye Sherman:

but yeah other than that. Sometimes it's just a really great opportunity or a really cool itinerary that seems, like you know, really aligned with what I write about or want to write about. Sometimes I I get assigned a trip from an editor, which I love to take those, because it's just like so cut and dry, clear cut, like go on this, write about this, and you know I really prefer that. Or sometimes, you know, like I said, it's just a really unique opportunity or something really luxurious or like hey, I'm going to fly you here on business class or a private jet or something. I'm like, you know, I just can't say no to that. So it just depends. I would say you really unique or once in a lifetime experiences or anything tied to like special events going on. Like you know, maybe it's a once a year, once in a lifetime sort of thing. That kind of stuff I I can always find a fit for and love to. You know, make space for that.

Angela Tuell:

So yeah, have you um. So how many countries have you been to then now so far? I?

Skye Sherman:

think I'm like 51, 52. I need to check my app. I keep track of it in an app called Ben B-E-E-N. But yeah, it's a great little app I've never heard of that one yeah. I'm at like 50 something. So yeah, like I said, I realized if I do five a year, which is really doable. I can visit all of them by age 60, which is still so young, so that's my goal.

Angela Tuell:

That's a great goal. I love it. Are there any destinations you've been to that you've really and I'm sure you've enjoyed most of them, but any? That stand out to you or you know favorites.

Skye Sherman:

You know I get asked this question a lot. I feel like my answer is different every time. It just depends what's on the brain or what's fresh, but right now I'm really excited about an upcoming return to Mackinac Island in northern Michigan. It's a really unique place that I kept going to. Oh, have you? Yeah? Yeah, it's so special to me. My family has history there since, like I don't know, the 50s maybe, so it's somewhere I grew up going and has just always been really nostalgic and special to me. And for anyone who hasn't been there, the main appeal of it is it's a tiny island with no cars, and the only way to get around is horse-drawn carriage or bicycles or your own two feet yes, so it smells like horse, yeah yes, it does.

Skye Sherman:

It smells like horse and fudge, because the main street is lined with fudge shops. It's like the home of fudge or like the capital of fudge, I don't know, but um, it's just so magical and it's really only open and accessible during the summer. Um, they have a lilac festival every june. I think that's going on now or just happened, um, but the whole island blooms with lilacs and it's just magical, like it's a storybook. Um, anyway, just finished planning a trip there at the end of july. Um, and that was just personal, not really working or on assignment, you know, just sort of did our own plan with that. My husband and I are going and also my mom, so that'll be really fun. Um, also just returned from sailing the british virgin islands, which was an incredible trip. We went with dream yacht worldwide and they do sailboat vacation charters yes, we worked together on that.

Skye Sherman:

Yes yes and truly, though I have told everyone about it because it was amazing. It's my like I've always dreamed of learning to sail, but now I really, now I'm like really on it, yeah, exactly.

Angela Tuell:

But it is pretty nice. The charter that you were on is, you know, has a skipper.

Skye Sherman:

It's pretty nice to also be that driven.

Angela Tuell:

I'm a little torn. It's pretty nice to also be that driven to be voted around.

Skye Sherman:

I'm a little torn. Yeah, I'm like well, I want to learn to sail, just to say I can, but do I actually want to be sailing myself? No, I think like having a captain and a chef on board is probably the way to go and, like you know, sail on occasion when you want, but not have to be like in charge of it all the time.

Angela Tuell:

Yes, yes, but not have to be like in charge of it all the time, yes, yes and believe it, or? Not. The thing, you know, that was surprising to me when we started working with them is how accessible. It is affordable really. Yeah, yeah.

Skye Sherman:

That's what shocked me and has shocked everyone. I told about this trip because people look at you know, sailing through the British Virgin Islands for a week with a cat and chef and think that must be. I'm sure it's nice, but it sounds unattainable. And when I tell people the price and how affordable and accessible, it is.

Angela Tuell:

They're like what, yeah, yeah and it really depends. But just for those listening, if you're interested, it's. I mean it can start at $1,200 a person, it depends on boat and charters, you know, and all of that, but for a week.

Skye Sherman:

For a week and your food, and you're on the islands and you're staying on this boat like sure it's a little, you're not like? On a yacht or something, but it was truly amazing. I, I loved it. I would go on like a sailboat every week, so that was. That was a really so that was a really standout favorite recent destination.

Angela Tuell:

So I keep rambling to everyone who asked me about the British Virgin Islands.

Skye Sherman:

So, with everything that you've mentioned all the different roles you play, the traveling. How do you stay organized when you're juggling all of that? This is such a funny question for me because I am just like, really known in my friend groups and family for being so type A, organized and obsessive about this. I just can't. I can't function if things aren't organized Like inbox. Zero is a non-negotiable for me. I am obsessively organized in Google Docs and my calendar and my notes app. I write everything down, I set reminders. I just don't give anything to chance or relying on my brain to keep it all in there. It's like immediately it gets written down and out of my brain or it I will not remember so 100%.

Angela Tuell:

Sometimes I worry if that is made will make my memory worse. I don't rely on it.

Skye Sherman:

Yeah, same. Maybe it's not the best, but I'm the one who's always like making a schedule and an itinerary and writing down all the details of a trip in one place, like yes.

Skye Sherman:

I I don't know, I've just always been that way. I can't function any other way. So it's not really. It's not really. It doesn't feel like a choice for me, it just feels like how my brain works. Um so, and it's just a lot to juggle. I do a lot. I'm always handling the logistics and details and admin side of things you know, personally and professionally, and I just I do a lot of different things within my own career and travel writing, but just also outside of it as well, like I help with my husband's companies and I sort of handle like the home admin tasks. Like that is all me. So it just, it just has to be organized or it will be a big cluster.

Angela Tuell:

Yeah, there's no way to do it. If you don't, I don't know how anyone could do it. No, I can't. Yeah, yeah.

Skye Sherman:

And I'm just not laid back enough to like, not care like or let things fall through the cracks. Like somehow other people, it just works for them. Yes, unfortunately that just does not work for me, but it sounds really nice. I'm jealous.

Angela Tuell:

I am, the same way, Talking a little bit. You know our audience is a lot of PR professionals Talking a little bit about us, or them talking a little bit about us or them. What makes, you know, a pitch stand out to you? Or, you know, can you think of something that was really caught your attention or helpful, or any? You know, pet peeves or kind of things that PR pros do that are not helpful.

Skye Sherman:

Okay. So obviously it's like you know, asking just for, I just need the perfect thing at the perfect time in the perfect way. So, just read my mind.

Skye Sherman:

I'm just kidding. But, um, you know a well-timed pitch that's actually relevant to me and what I write. It can be hard to land but, like I said, the perfect pitch at the perfect time, helping me land in new outlets or helping me land stories because that's also my goal is great. I'd say. A piece of advice or like a good rule of thumb is pitch in the exact style of the headline or story you hope to land, because if you can envision it, then me, my editor probably can too, which probably means there's a fit On the flip side. If you have a heart in figuring out how to make it work, then I probably will too. And at the end of the day, we kind of have the same goal PR professionals want coverage for their clients and I want to write those stories and work and many. So you know, it's like kind of seeing what I write and the sort of headlines I write and stories I write and topics I cover. If you have a story that's like you know a carbon copy of one of those, but different, or you know a different destination or a different topic, it'll probably work if that makes sense. So if it's something really similar to what I already write, then I can probably. You know I know how to. I know how to do that again. I know how to land that again. Obviously, outlets don't want a lot of the same story written again and again, but they do have a certain style or tone or type of story that they publish and if it is aligned with that and if I've written stories like that, then it's probably going to work all around. But on the flip side, if it's like I don't really know how this works or you guys never write things like this, then it's probably not going to work.

Skye Sherman:

You kind of asked like a pet peeve. So I will say one of my pet peeves. I don't know if this is every writer or just me, but I really don't like to be asked what I'm working on right now because I don't really know. This question is so open-ended and vague and requires like effort on my part to like stop and think about it and be like I don't know and formulate a response and like list all out and all like. So I just usually don't respond to that sort of email.

Skye Sherman:

I don't really have like a list going of what I'm working on, like maybe some writers do, but I just for me, I'm working on whatever an editor assigns to me, and it's usually on a short deadline and I don't really have it, you know, like all figured out in advance. Like, hey, I'm working on these 10 topics, like, do you have anything that works for that? Maybe some writer's workflow is like that and it sounds really nice to be that organized like you know, and it sounds really nice to be that organized like you know, knowing what's going on ahead of time. But for me it's usually like I'm just I'm working on. I don't really know.

Skye Sherman:

Whatever I'm working on and if I need help or support, what I usually do is search my inbox for things relevant to that and I'll reach out. So a lot of times it's like maybe I don't answer emails, but then I'm searching that destination or hotel or topic in my inbox. Later I end up reaching out and getting in touch. So it's kind of the same as reading a magazine cover to cover before pitching for it, like look at what they publish, look at what I publish, and then you know recently and get a feel for what I'm working on. And then, if it's, you know, in that same vein, then I'm probably doing things similar to that, if that makes sense.

Angela Tuell:

Yeah, that's a great tip. I've never asked that question because I talk to myself. How would I answer that? You know what? I mean Like list a million things.

Skye Sherman:

Yeah, it's like I don't know a lot, but it takes more time for me to like sit there and like tell you I'm working Like I don't know, but I'll reach out if I'm fine, that I'm working on something that you can help with, but otherwise I just really don't answer that. And I get yeah, I get the motivation behind that question. I don't fault anyone for asking it, but I just it's just like not an email. I tend to answer.

Angela Tuell:

so no, that's good to know, and our job is to make your job easier too, not harder.

Skye Sherman:

Exactly exactly.

Angela Tuell:

If you could go back to, maybe, college students, guy, you know what is one piece of advice you would give.

Skye Sherman:

So I thought about this question and I, you know it's sort of all worked out pretty well. So I hate to say like I would change anything, but I kind of touched on this earlier. I think if go back, I would major in journalism or study journalism, just so I had that like foundation of learning the basics and, you know, or learning the textbook approach, I guess, to this field. It's something I've sort of taught myself, I guess, because I didn't study it in college and I mean it's worked out fine and also, you know, interning at a magazine helped. But I would say sometimes I think I would have more confidence if I had majored in journalism because I would know like yes, I know exactly what I'm doing, this is the steps, like this is I'm doing it right, and half the time now I'm like exactly what I'm doing, this is the steps, like this is I'm doing it right, and half the time now I'm like I just worry like oh, maybe I'm missing something, or like maybe I interview wrong or you know so things like that.

Skye Sherman:

So I would say majoring in journalism would have probably been helpful, just so I knew the fundamentals. But I've learned them on my feet and on the job, I guess. But I, yeah, that would I also find myself now that I'm in my early thirties. I look back and I'm like I really wish I had done an internship in New York City and just sort of gotten that New York City publishing, journalism exposure firsthand. I end up working with a lot of New York-based publications and people and love being there, but just kind of wish I had that early 20s, you know, young, scrappy internship sort of experience. So a little more time in New York City and maybe some journalism studies would have been helpful. But I've kind of self educated as I go and, you know, traveled all around. So I would say it's. You know I'm not, I don't regret it, but that could have been helpful.

Angela Tuell:

Yeah, and I went to journalism school and was a TV reporter for a few years in the beginning of my career, but then when I moved into PR, it was the same way, though. Oh, I wish I would have you know. Do I need to go back to school for public relations Cause?

Skye Sherman:

I don't know what I'm doing. You know, yeah, it's like you know what you're doing, but then you second guess yourself and you're like maybe I don't know what I'm doing. Like maybe I'm missing a really key ingredient and I just don't even know that I'm missing it.

Angela Tuell:

No, no, but you're right. In PR there's something called the accreditation in PR, so then in public relations. So then I did that and did realize I was doing it right. But here's what it's called. That's amazing.

Skye Sherman:

Now you just like have a piece of paper that you can be confident Like okay yes. I certified, know what I'm doing.

Angela Tuell:

Right, and I don't think they don't have that in journalism really.

Skye Sherman:

No, but before we go.

Angela Tuell:

I must ask you about being a pilot and receiving your license at 18. So what led to that, and how often do you fly?

Skye Sherman:

I am ashamed to admit I do not fly very often anymore. I'm not current, but I need to get current. I really have a reason not to, other than it's a little less convenient now than it was. When I was growing up. I grew up on an airstrip and my dad was a pilot, not for his job, just for his hobby. It was like his passion and he loved it. So I grew up in really an aviation community, an aviation family, and my dad had every certification under the sun, I guess a pilot, with all the certifications you can get, including his instructor rating, which means that he could teach and certify others to be a pilot.

Skye Sherman:

So I was entering my senior year of high school, or maybe after junior year, and I realized I'm going away to college next year, I am moving away from home and I don't have any plans to come back, so I should really take advantage of learning my parents' skill sets while I'm at home. So all year, long after that, I would cook with my mom. She kind of taught me to cook all year because she's an incredible chef, not for a job again, but just because she loves to cook and be in the kitchen and learn to fly with my dad, so that was really special. He ended up passing away in 2015. So, especially looking back like I just really really value all that time we spent and that experience. So he taught me to fly all throughout my senior year of high school I don't know if I said college or high school, but I meant high school, and also one of his friends who is a doctor.

Skye Sherman:

I learned from him as well, so ended up doing all my hours and training and then, the summer after I graduated, was ready to take my test and do my checkride and, yeah, ended up getting my pilot's license when I was 18, after I graduated high school, and I still can fly. You know, you don't lose it, you just need to get current again. I definitely would want to take a little bit of a refresher before, you know, fully getting up in the air again, but I, yeah, I need to, I need to get back up there, but I love it and it's something that you know, is really, really special to me and was just a really fun achievement, I guess, to do so.

Skye Sherman:

It's something I love, like the freedom of being able to, yeah, fly your own plane, so it was really an awesome experience, especially living with my dad, like I said.

Angela Tuell:

So, yeah, how incredibly mature, or like forward thinking too, to say I've only got a year left here. Let me, what can I learn from my yeah like let me take advantage of this so great yeah, yeah. Well, thank you for sharing that. How can our listeners best connect with you online? Um?

Skye Sherman:

Instagram is probably the best place. Best place I handle. There is just my name at Skye Sherman. I also am a little active on Facebook and like X and things like that, but Instagram is more so daily place that I am active. Great, and yeah, not really LinkedIn or any of the others.

Angela Tuell:

I'm not very up to date there. There's too many yeah.

Skye Sherman:

Um and yeah, not really LinkedIn or any of the others.

Angela Tuell:

Not very uh up to date there, but too many.

Skye Sherman:

Yeah, exactly, I can't keep up with it all, even if grandma's a job.

Angela Tuell:

So right, right. Well, we will link to those in our show notes. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. That's all for this episode of media and minutesutes a podcast by Communications Redefined. Take a moment to rate, review and subscribe to our show. We'd love to hear what you think you can find more at communicationsredefined. com/ podcast. I'm your host, Angela Tuell. Talk to you next time.